Gerry Doyle: I say this while assiduously trying not to cast aspersions on any person or outlet in particular but if you beat a particular drum for months; see a particular event as vindication for doing so; write piles of panicky copy as a result; then see polling contradict you... ... maybe take a knee?

I say this while assiduously trying not to cast aspersions on any person or outlet in particular but if you beat a particular drum for months; see a particular event as vindication for doing so; write piles of panicky copy as a result; then see polling contradict you... ... maybe take a knee?

CNN's new poll doesn't establish some failsafe alternative to Biden for Democrats. But it does run against the twin ideas that the debate itself doomed Biden and that Harris isn't a viable alternative. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/202...

Analysis | A new national poll turns post-debate conventional wisdom on its headwww.washingtonpost.com As always, though, we should be cautious about reading too much into one poll.

like everything else aside it is simply not a good look to self-assuredly write "xyz dooms the campaign" headlines 70 minutes after the event ends, before the effects are known, and it casts doubt on your coverage and your framing

however I think the most likely result is

Am I going to listen to the craziest lefties in this tiny Bluesky bubble, along to the actual right leaning, “liberal” MSM? No

This reminds me of when Ezra Klein wrote a big article about how larry Krasner being “soft on crime” lost him the da election then he got 65 percent or whatever and then he simply changed the first word to “despite…”

He had the opportunity to use “Ah! Well. Nevertheless,” and he just squandered it

He didn’t even have that originality or wit in it. Simply “despite” and then regurgitating the same article as if he’d lost. It was pathetic

I gotta say, I’ve got no doubt about their coverage, their framing, or their motivations.

But probably not in a way they’d like.

Maybe I’m dense, but I’m not sure what you’re getting at? The post-debate polling seems to be vindicating the alarm about the objectively bad debate performance. Just going by RCP average, Trump is pulling away. Are you suggesting something to the contrary or did I miss it?

RCP may be doing its thing, but 538 only sees about 1 point of movement toward Trump. And this poll, in particular, shows no change.

I skimmed that poll. It shows no change on the horse race but (as I recall) reflects a big shift in more concern about Biden’s age and more voters who see him as unfit. That’s what the alarm was about re his debate performance.

But the horse race is what matters.

On Election Day, yes. The other data, though, points to cratering support. I’ve heard it anecdotally, too, among my friends who are Democrats. The damage from the debate is just beginning. That’s why I hope Biden makes a swift exit. It would be noble.

They will publish the stories twice as hard until the polling shows they were correct

CNN should take a poll about how CNN did at the debate

They've found their emails story and are going to run with it, even if it destroys us all.

I believe most people didn't watch the debate and made their minds up before the debate ever occurred.

I'll happily cast aspersions on the NYT here

I think you’re missing the point. He was behind and needed the debate to put him ahead. He can’t execute on any of the things he needs to do to overcome the gap with a sociopathic convicted felon. That’s a problem.

Is that headline written from a timeline where "post debate conventional wisdom" is not "lol, debates don't matter"?

At this point, I feel the Dems should seriously fokus on the House and Senate. If we kan win those a lot of that Projekt 2025 fuckery kan be stopped or diminished. I kan tolerate another Trump presidency with there's a kongressional speed bump

One poll? Who cares. A trend over a week? Then I'll start to care. New Democrats making terrible speeches is nothing new.

That being said, Biden has been polling at average levels ever since we surrendered to the Taliban in Afghanistan. He has been polling on par with Donald Trump ever since then. But even polls alone are not enough to predict presidential elections. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Key...

The Keys to the White House - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org

The NYT won the debate, and they will soon have the Sienna poll they want out. They will stop when Trump is sworn in.

Not when the CEO of that outlet has merger and strike debts he needs a fascist economy to ease himself out of

You should cast aspersions on particular persons and outlets.

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