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I think this is the fundamental asymmetry underlying every aspect of the conflict between the parties; you see it in the Senate, in gerrymandering, in the use of executive power I don't want King Biden either, but it's long past time to make the GOP afraid of the consequences of endless escalation
I honestly believe that a lot of conservative strategizing is based on the correct assumptions that liberals would never be as ruthless as they are.
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There comes a point where even if you lose you gotta give the bully a fat lip he won't forget or he is just going to keep taking your lunch money every day.
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this is, for those of us that have lived it, what Perry Farrell calls "unconscious knowledge"
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At the very least start doing the shit they said Obama (I vividly remember the “he wants to be a king” talk)was going to do to get some traction on reeling in the presidency.
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If we lived in the world GOP pundits swear we’re in, where Democratic administrations absolutely live to stomp on and oppress Republicans, the world would be a much better place
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And here's the thing: we don't have to be as ruthless as they are. We just have to be aggressive and principled and work to do good things and hold bad people accountable.
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The “when they go low, we go high” approach has pretty clearly been shown to only embolden them further at this point. What we need to do is, as the other skeet said, give the bully a fat lip so that they’re warned off from continuously stealing our lunch money and unilaterally escalating.
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I think we agree. It's that when MO said "we go high," she meant we don't really do anything. We can do stuff without being immoral. Boldness, not immorality, is what makes a difference.
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Random hot (really medium) take: I always felt she just meant Dems didn't need to be vulgar to win elections. (The Obamas were dealing with outright and thinly veiled racism.) The high road doesn't mean letting injustices stand or even being dishonest about the GOP to be polite.
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Liberals are too up their own ass to make any moves that don't give more ground to fascism
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And if the anti-lib left does not support the "libs" anyways, then fascism will win for sure. If the democratic nominee was a rotting hogturd, the only morally acceptable course right now would still be to all out fight for said turd.
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No, the only morally acceptable course would be to put forward someone who can actually respond with some fucking vigor to the fascist lies. Instead, you spent last 4 years, head up ass of the corporations. We are in this mess because you liberals have zero fucking spine.
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Supporting the turd is forced on everyone because of DNCs fucking incompetence, not because anyone actually wants to.
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We are in this mess vecause tge anti-lib left claimed that gore was just as bad as Bush, and Hillary was just as bad as Trump. Yeah, right.
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You're in this mess because Democrats treat votes as an entitlement rather than something to be earned The people you're mad at are the registered Democrats who didn't show up in the first place
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Y'all could've spent the years leading up to 2016 restoring voting rights to the millions of Black people disenfranchised by racist policing and various forms of vote suppression Y'all could've figured out a way to motivate the non-voters to show up But hey, blame "uppity minorities" instead 🤷‍♂️
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reposting with alt text detail
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Of course, it's the peoples fault that instead of going with the demonstrably more popular, you guys went with an ancient oligarch that no one liked every single time. I will never forgive you for shunning Bernie in 2016, the light of humanity doesn't live in your soul and you will not reach nirvana
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You assume I would not have preferred Bernie. You assume wrong, and you still miss the point.
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Those things are more true than not true. Sorry reality wasn't cooperative
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100s of 1000s dead Iraquis would, i assume, beg to differ.
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is there really much of a difference between the one who lets it happen and the one who makes it happen? biden has a clear ticket out, but outright rejects it
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You mean he should bow out? Or you mean he should use the SCOTUS judgnebt to go all out dark Brandon on trump, the court, and the GOP?
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I, too, like writing fan fiction that absolves myself of responsibility.
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Running a new candidate requires: - figuring out who that will be - establishing a whole new national campaign for them - funding said campaign - advertising & traveling All in 16 weeks, and that's assuming the candidate is popular enough to beat a cult figure head GOP will vote lock-step for.
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You don’t even have 16 weeks, because you won’t be on the ballot in all 50 states. The GOP would love to derail this before the vote. Plus skipping over Harris based on her being a Black woman will destroy the coalition.
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Excellent point. And I’ve seen a number of leftists trash Harris as a “cop” due to her DA and Attorney General history and dismiss her under ACAB.
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the same lines every single time. the rotting hogturds we keep being forced to vote for (and who frequently lose anyway) are responsible for the situation we're in. find a better turd
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one starts to wonder if there isn't a secret third way to stop people from feeding us turds
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You can fight for not having to vote for turds, and still, when faced with the threat of fascism, go for turd in order to be able to keep on fighting
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ok,I hope that helps you sleep nights
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Fascism is winning now, they're advancing their goals right now.
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Yes they are, but anybody who can't imagine it all getting so much unbelievably worse is suffering from a terrifying lack of both imagination and historic knowledge.
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Yes, it is getting worse right now, fascists are consolidating power right now, these next few months is the last chance for people with actual power to stop them. The fascists are not waiting for the election.
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And now imagine them having every office at their disposal, every department, command over the military, and the claim of having an electoral majority. How is this not an "all hands on deck" scenario?
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they are so incredibly toothless. "this will just get fillibustered anyway, so we wont bother." ok, make them filibuster! if nothing else, make your opponents fucking work for their victories
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They need to put real southern dems in charge. I want these people to be as scared as we are. I want them to feel despair. I want -them- to make plans to flee the country.
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It definitely seems like a structurally untenable situation when only one side ever need bother to ask "what if my enemies had the power I'm proposing"
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One other aspect is the debt limit, budget agreements. GOP not caring if people starve, freeze, go without services, pay etc gives them extra leverage in negotiations.
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There is no greater proof that the Democrats are an abject failure than the fact that the GOP isn’t worried, not even a bit, about the prospect of Biden having criminal immunity.
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The Republicans' job, as they see it, is to sabotage and obstruct government function when out of the Oval, and abuse power in favor of wealthy corporatists when in. It's a much easier brief
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This administration can have a little ruthlessness, as a treat