She was picked by Biden to be on the ballot in 2020. She received zero votes in the 2020 primaries. She was elected to succeed him *if he died in office*. She wasn’t elected to succeed him after the end of his first term.
There has to be a beauty pageant for the next few weeks where Harris Newsom Whitmer & one or 2 others do tons of earned media and then the 4700 delegates to the convention who represent registered democrats nationwide will vote. That’s the best way to select the strongest ticket for the fall
It’s much, much easier to make the case that those delegates were anointed than Harris. They were selected to put a rubber stamp on Biden, not to be representative of the party’s different factions or to make an important decision about the future of the country.
Right, this is a great point. I actually have no idea what the composition of these delegates is if they’re freed from their pledge to Biden. Should I trust them? Why? Like I trust them as Dem partisans, but beyond that, what’s the case for trusting their independent judgment?
I voted for Joe Biden, I def did not vote for Whoever The Fuck to just make a random guess on my behalf at the Ushering In A Historic Landside Loss ball
This is all pointless because in the event Biden steps aside, it's pretty clear no one else will have a realistic shot at beating Harris at a convention, nor will they have the campaign war chest and infrastructure, so they're going to pass on the attempt, and the convention will be a formality.
Find then why is everybody so appalled at the idea that the delegates should make the choice among several possibilities? Yes, Harris and should be a top contender, but if it is simply hers by default, she will be a much weaker candidate in the fall
I mean, the fact that Biden was really old and might not serve his full term was a big part of the conversation in 2020! Probably more so than any VP in recent history, people were saying they’d be OK with her taking over.
i dunno. i voted for biden. and if we spent as much energy helping him recover from a bad debate as we’re spending wringing our hands and buying into the media+trump narrative, we might be rather better off. none of this BS is going to help any democrat win in november.
She did not win any votes to be the presidential nominee. Those are two different things. Who picked her to be on the ballot as VP originally? One guy, not 81 million ppl.
81 million people who understood that, had the newly-elected president (not even then a young man) had an aneurysm on his first day in office, she would have served the entirety of his term.
Your racism and sexism is showing. Also, Kamala is the only one who has access to the over $100 million in campaign funds. Seriously, fuck all the way off with this nonsense.
You voted for Joe Biden. The delegates to the convention are grassroots party members selected by the state parties to represent the will of Biden voters at the convention. Biden will not be the nominee — he’s going to step aside. His representatives at the convention must vote for a new nominee.
If Harris makes the best showing over the course of several weeks of in-depth interviews and a townhall or two, then yes, they will and should vote for her and not for the 2-3 other options. But they aren’t Biden’s minions, obligated to vote for whomever he tells them to vote for!
I think you’re misunderstanding who the average delegate is generally and especially in the case of 2024 Biden delegates. None are in that position because of their ability to select the best candidate. They’re there to say “Biden” when asked who they vote for the Dem nominee.
They're local party folks who have done the work in the trenches and got made a delegate as a treat! Nothing wrong with that, but yeah they don't have any expertise or gravitas that we don't lol.
Or even in some cases know someone that did that work or donated $$$ and are telegenic. While maybe more than half are serious people, I wouldn’t put it much beyond that.
But Biden won’t be an option. Delegates are then simply supposed to vote for the person he personally picked as VP four years ago, without regard for anything else? That seems utterly foolish to me.
Foolish is a pretty fitting word to use if you assume that the 4k Biden delegates are qualified to make a nuanced decision with the ramifications clearly related to it.
What is the anything else? Absolutely no other candidate got enough votes to have a voice at the convention in 2024. There isn't enough time for debates or polling. Absolutely any last minute planning of such will be a dumpster fire. Harris is the *only* other possible choice that has a chance
There won't be 2-3 other options. And they literally are Biden minions. That's why they were picked! Pledged delegates are among the hackiest party hacks.
I have a relative that tried to be a delegate in 2020 and she couldn’t believe how hacky the selection process was…and she’s been doing work with the DNC and local Dem Party for 2 decades.
I met one of mine on the fourth, he seemed like a nice guy with a great vintage political buttons collection but he does not have my permission to do anything other than rubber stamp the guy the voters democratically selected and I told him so lol
They will be unpledged when he says he’s not running anymore. Why can’t there be 2-3 options? I don’t understand the insistence that the only thing that can happen is coronating Harris
Because 2-3 options means that whoever wins will need to endure weeks of costly campaigning on a last minute primary and receiving potentially devastating attacks and bad vibes from their own party immediately before entering the general against Trump. It’s suicide
He selected her to serve as his Vice President, and President in the event he is unable. He also selected her to be his VP candidate again on the reelection ticket, which millions of people voted in support of in the primary. You are arguing right now that the DNC should throw those votes out.
I’m arguing that the situation has changed entirely, is unprecedented, & unfortunately involves risks in every direction. There is a national party that must select a new candidate via a process that has the best possibility of success in the form of winning in November.
They may not be obligated to vote for Harris, but they are, by temperament and position, highly predisposed toward doing so if that’s what Biden advises.
