Adam Serwer: Everyone but the most die hard Trump cultists knew january 6 was an insurrection when it happened and knew Trump was responsible. Elite pundits changed their tune only once the courts got involved, rewriting history because they fear the implications of the case. www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...

Everyone but the most die hard Trump cultists knew january 6 was an insurrection when it happened and knew Trump was responsible. Elite pundits changed their tune only once the courts got involved, rewriting history because they fear the implications of the case. www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...

And *I* maintain (for the purposes of getting an elite pundit job) that Trump wanted to avoid a violent insurrection to such an extent that he illegally arm-twisted election officials in multiple states to find phantom votes and throw out valid votes, and that's why hes our next Nobel Prize winner.

Ah yes, the "he went through all these other ways to steal the election in order NOT to have an insurrection"

There is no one on the planet who believes Trump wouldn't have used violence and the military if he thought that would work. He would then, he would now. Everyone knows this.

That's been the most maddening part of the trump era, for me. All these people who know exactly what he is, where he's been and what he's doing, pretending not to. Because they approve. We all know what's going on here and we have since 2016, we just disagree on whether we think it's good or bad.

There was like 24-48hrs after 1/6 when there was the glimmer of sanity. When people like McConnell and Rubio were giving speeches/statements calling it an insurrection and blaming Trump.

They were scared there might be actual repercussions. Now that repercussions for politicians are mostly off the table, they will keep pushing until it all breaks. It's a binary. Repercussions or fascism.

They either know what trump is and they approve or they don’t know what he is because they don’t want to know. They don’t like the implications of fascism being popular.

I don't know why people struggle to understand that there were two prongs to the insurrection: forcing Pence to throw out the certification & get SCOTUS to rubber stamp the fake electors, then use that veneer of legitimacy to order troops to quell the mass protests that would ensue.

His perseverance was quite remarkable and should be commended. To fail so many times and keep on trying…

He sounds psychotic.

I think Trump will get that Nobel Prize in Physics for successfully bending reality and the laws of nature to suit his selfish needs!

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If Chait were capable of understanding your argument he would be out of a job

Even Trump’s own lawyer said it was an insurrection! bsky.app/profile/kevi...

I can never see Ross Douthat's name without reading it as Douche-hat and I'm not upset about that.

I read Ross Douthat's last name as Doubt-that, but yours is good too.

Despite an over abundance of competition, he still has one of the most smack-worthy faces in all of media.

I personally would say all but the most gullible and deluded diehard Trump cultists. I think most Trump supporters know damn well it was an insurrection and either don’t care or support it and would support another one.

It was frequently blasted on Twitter for a couple of weeks before Jan 6. “Be there, it will be wild.” “We’ll be armed to make sure Trump isn’t robbed.” And so on. Most of us kept sending the copies of the Tweets to the FBI. It was shocking that there was no National Guard there in advance.

To remember all the coup planning that was going on by so many during that time. Elaborate multi pronged, multistage, national, violent plan to subvert the will of American voters.

Beyond that, just the fucking merch they had prepared. Shit like "Second Civil War 1.6" or "6MWNE" (6 million was not enough), let alone the fucking Gallows they built. That shit takes time, how much more clear could they have been .

Yaaaas with tees, bless their traitorous ❤️s

Honestly makes the whole thing feel pretty surreal now. Like people are arguing about whether it was an insurrection or not while people had Tshirts basically saying "I attended an Insurrection to overthrow the government to have Donald Trump installed as dictator and all i got was this T-shirt"

They sure did bsky.app/profile/ygal...

Words, what do they even mean

If that wasn't an insurrection, what was it? An impromptu tour? Whatever you want to call it, it sure looked like one. You'd think the President might lift a finger to make such a thing stop, not encourage it. If a tour group went this nuts, no question, it's put down swiftly and forcefully.

140 injured Capitol police.

This is great and Chait is an embarrassment.

The most die hard cultists knew it too. They just also liked it.

Most press, but especially pundits, just side with power, if one team looks likely to win, they back that team because being a pundit isn't about being a reporter, it is about making sure you are invited to dine with powerful people.

Even the die-hards knew it was an insurrection; they fully intended for it to succeed or they wouldn't have participated.

But actually, their own words are still out there.

Had a teamate give me the "The 14th Ammendment doesn't apply to the president arguement," then get real mad when I laughed in his face, called it the 'stupidest thing I'd ever heard' and refused to engage. These folks are lost.

Its not a matter of if they know its much more they want it to happen

There is no doubt here. “Be there, will be wild!” Deaths and damage that day are entirely trump’s fault.

We all watched it happen in real time and everyone saw it was an insurrection that Trump was encouraging. What's unreal is that the DOJ gave them time to create an alternate narrative.

I am sincerely sorry you have to explain why Chait is (once again) full of shit

An extremely straightforward question for all of these people that I have never seen asked is this: "What do you think would've happened next if they had actually laid hands on Mike Pence? What were they going to do?" They know, but it would be nice to see them try to answer.

Insurrectionists should be given their day in court and be punished if found guilty.

If your only source was Fox News, you would not know that Trump was responsible for January 6. You would blame ANTIFA.

I’m a little stumped by something though: Why wasn’t use of this tool more of an obvious answer to rest of us earlier? Seems some kind of intellectual bias at play there as well, seems interesting on that level too. Obviously various risks, but why not bigger focus earlier?

I think we have a lack of imagination because it hasn’t happened in the US before. We can’t believe this fool Trump is ending democracy here.

Some of us can though, and even then, it’s really hard to hold onto thought

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The speed of doing a complete re-writing of the history of Jan 6 is astonishing. It took them years to re-write the Civil War, but then technology was limited then.

Half the country (and most of DC) knew Bad Shit was heading its way on J6. Everyone knew in advance.

I'm confused what it is Chait in particular fears about this to make such an argument as that you sliced to bits there. As much of a clown as he is otherwise, him sounding in the tank for Trump is odd.

He thinks the whole thing helps Trump and disqualifying has no chance to succeed

A great deal of punditry is focused on the right move 'strategically' not the actual right thing ethically or morally. This is funny to me because the same people who think this way are also, historically, wrong much the time. Like, why take advice from anyone who loved taking 9/11 to Iraq?

Chait should say that then instead of claiming what actually happened doesn't count. Actually, I realize why he didn't now: because then he'd be admitting he's taken a political equivalent of the fetal position, scared of Meaning itself.

Chait also believes that stating his political positions outright hurts them. True victory lies in the real arguments happening behind the kabuki of retail politics & discourse. I think this approach to politics is only slightly more reality-based than fretting over Roko's Basilisk

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