Cam Buckles: the "DEI pilots" thing is not only untrue, but the opposite of true. The piloting profession in the late 20th century was so dominated by one Guy Type that they had to invent a new kind of training that forced pilots to listen to their first officers so they would stop flying planes into the ground

the "DEI pilots" thing is not only untrue, but the opposite of true. The piloting profession in the late 20th century was so dominated by one Guy Type that they had to invent a new kind of training that forced pilots to listen to their first officers so they would stop flying planes into the ground

And some of those pilots are still furious about it, I bet.

This country is so WOKE that a man can’t even force his plane into the side of a mountain without triggering the snowflakes

“triggering the snowflakes” is a rather interesting way to describe an avalanche.

I mean, technically, it is an accurate description.

Oh absolutely.

Hard to be mad about that kind of thing after you flew you plane into the ground

Maybe someone told them to die mad

This is fucking gold. A+ joke. Incredibly well done.

Wouldn't call it one of my best, but it's all laughs in the bank

☠️☠️☠️

Have you met people like this? Facts dont get in the way of their outrage

The ground might, if it snuck up fast enough.

No, most are now long retired. Part of the issue was also recruiting so many pilots from the Air Force. But the late 90s it was clear that a pilot trained making lone decisions is not conducive to the team work required to keep things running safe and smooth in a commercial airliner.

Yes. Yes they are.

The profession whose entire domestic workforce imitates one guy's West Virginia drawl has gone Woke

lol

Are they STILL imitating Yeager? I haven't flown since the 90s.

To be fair, the standardized pronunciation is quite helpful in interpreting radio chatter.

There’s no need to engage with DEI nonsense at face value, just accuse anyone ranting about it of wanting to bring back segregation and move on

the problem with that is that they'll just agree with you openly at this point

Yeah, unfortunately "shame them and move on" doesn't work when applied to people whose one marketable attribute is having no shame

That’s where the moving on comes in handy 😅

There's always value in a strong country narrative. If only because rhe media doesn't provide one. They just react to right wing papers and go "omg let's hold a round table about this" and promote it. But not engaging WITH THEM yeah. They are proud to say "lol don't care yer mad hahahah"

And it was female pilot who calmly capably landed that airline with missing door.

Look, as a deeply mediocre yet irrationally overconfident middle-aged white guy I can assure you (condescendingly) that everything you just said is total bullshit and that my judgment is less fallible than the Pope's.

Thought you were going to say than @kenwhite.bsky.social ‘s for a second but sure, the other guy works too

1994 Fairchild B-52 crash was a significant contributor to that, iirc.

my favorite line from the wikipedia entry on that is “Holland also regularly and illegally parked his car in a "no parking" zone near the base headquarters building.”

Tells you pretty much everything you need to know about the guy, doesn't it.

He was chief of Stan/Eval, which also says a lot about the culture of those groups at the time.

they’ll overlook parking violations, tsk tsk

Whole lotta “I AM the law” going on.

UAL173 in 1978 was a bigger factor - from the NTSB report afterwards:

TIL that the crash I'd vaguely heard about, where the pilots dicked around with a small problem while they ignored a much larger problem, crashed here in Portland.

If the captain hadn’t caused the problem in this first place, he might have been a hero for that landing. Only about 10 people died in a crash that should have killed everyone on board.

Yeah, other incidents are more foundational, but OP specifically stated "late 20th Century", and Fairchild was probably the worst CRM failure of that decade.

this can't be right because @michaelhobbes.bsky.social told me english was nonhierarchal

lol i googled this but accidentally read the wikipedia article about UAL553, another crash in the 70s caused by poor cockpit discipline

Also Eastern Airlines 401.

And Korean Air 801. And a bunch of other flights that ended up as episodes of "Why Planes Crash" on The Weather Channel at 3:00 AM when they SHOULD be showing, like, WEATHER

@alt-text.bsky.social

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man fuck that guy, what a dickhead

Crew resource management long predates that

How do we get the old kind of pilots in the cockpits of everyone’s private jets? Seems like that would solve an awful lot of problems.

unfortunately the fastest route would probably first involve a world war where everyone who can be trained to fly gets drafted

Hire senior citizens

Ones with bad eyesight and poor reflexes.

As a senior citizen with bad eyesight and poor reflexes, I resent the hell out of this idea. I ain't going anywhere near a plane! I do have a few customers I'd like to send your way though.

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