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Wondering why Cybertrucks are allowed on the road? Because this is literally how auto safety regulations works in the US. Every vehicle is assumed compliant until proven otherwise by underpaid bureaucrats, at public expense
I'll forever keep my simple explainer of FMVSS compliance: Put a sticker on it. That's it, the end. Just need a sticker stating that you think your product meets all required safety standards and you accept civil liability should this be proven false
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I want to go back to 30 seconds ago when I didn't know this
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i’m depressed to report that boeing was also allowed to self-certify their planes as well
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don’t forget everyone in auto world going “huh, how’d vw do diesels clean enough without a urea system?” and then it turned out there were just lying lol
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I thought they’d cracked the code! I loved my TDI! But then …
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on the upside with crash tests we do have the iihs nowadays
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that’s why i drive a MINI. they use the parts that already have been tested in europe - by a regular!!!
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*regulator aaaaargh, autocorrect, why!!!!!!! it didn’t need any correcting.
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It's also why you won't be seeing them on British or European streets
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To be fair, there are Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) that specify design, performance, and durability requirements for vehicles. Manufacturers must certify their cars meet these standards before selling them, and the NHTSA *does* conduct tests and investigations.
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But yes, I agree that Musk is a sack of shit!
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Right: manufacturers say they comply with the rules and NHTSA checks the homework on a few random examples every year. Very different than the "type approval" approach used in Europe and elsewhere, where 3rd parties must certify that vehicles are in compliance.
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You don't get to mark your own homework on these streets
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you can even cheat on the test by learning from 50+ yrs of modern car manufacturing, but nope, not Galaxy Brain Elon
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In any case, Cybertruck can’t be sold in Europe because it doesn’t meet our security requirements
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I was not responding to that fact.
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fun fact: this is also how food safety is managed, eg gluten-free or allergy-free claims. no legal requirements for testing, no oversight, and no legal punishments even if they are outright lies. they don’t even force recalls if, eg, a company puts wheat waffles in a box marked gluten-free.
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Medical device testing isn't quite this slip-shod, but it's close.
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I just want to joke that putting a sticker on a cybertruck might total the thing. But the concept of self certification is giving me a migraine.
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How badly did it fail safety tests that he is not allowed to sell it anywhere in Europe or Asia?
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it’s not even the safety tests. Europe won’t allow the anti-pedestrian pointy edges. it’s a non-starter.
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So he somehow plans to sell millions of these things a year in only three countries? It is truly incredible how you can tell exactly which decisions Musk stepped in and didn’t himself vs letting someone who knows how to make cars do it.
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*did himself. Ugh. I hate how I miss easy things like that.
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You might not have even missed it. AutoCorrect has started changing words in my text sometimes seconds after I've stopped typing and am in the middle of reaching for the post button. Since apparently our spellchecker are all LLM's now 🙃
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that’s precisely why i turned autocorrect off. it’s one thing to mistake what i’m typing, it’s another thing to edit after i’ve finished the sentence!
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I think you are right. Because I swear I typed it correctly the first time.
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Japan is currently undertaking a very large debt reduction in that area.
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I'm moderately reassured that this isn't the case in Canada for manufacturers and importers. (Though it seems that someone could drive up in one as a tourist (i.e., for their personal use) without it needing to be certified as safe per the standards here.)
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People have also grown used to preorders which gives even less accountability for delivery of bad goods. Depending on the car, you could wait months if not a year to arrive.
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Luckily for us here they *aren't* actually allowed on the road in the UK, and presumably Europe.
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This is also true for dietary supplements sold in the U.S. They are almost never tested for efficacy, safety, or even to check that they contain what they say on the label. Only when they're reported to the FDA. You can thank the usual anti-science crowd for this.
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Isn't that what class actions are for? To fill this regulatory gap with private action?
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Yes, but good luck getting people willing to buy a Cybertruck to admit they were duped into buying very expensive lemons
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Also it's not a substitute for regulation that would keep these deathtraps off the street in the first place! Theoretically the company is supposed to be afraid of getting sued, and this would motivate them to make safe vehicles, but clearly that's not how things work anymore.
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Well, if good people stopped dodging jury duty and started valuing human pain and suffering at a level on par with the value of a decent mid-sized mega-corporation, and fixed Campbell v. State Farm, the civil justice system could force business to internalize costs.
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It is why DOT rating on motorcycle gear is useless as well.
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I thought Ralph Nader changed all that?
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Wait I'm sorry, the process is literally "idk seems legit"?
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But if you import a kei car they'll take it away and crush it because THAT's not safe! 🤪
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Reminds me of how some scientific journals standard for publishing a study is just paying a fee. That's how so much junk-science gets a veneer of credibility.