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Like what are we even doing here
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it's almost like "people who watch the debate in full and talk about it on twitter and bluesky" are not really a very meaningful sample of the electorate
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🛎️🛎️🛎️
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have you ever typed a politics-related comment on any internet forum congratulations, you are more politically engaged than 90% of the country
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a lot of extremely online people really do find this incredibly hard to internalize
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Yet another reason I’m glad that I very regularly talk to people who are not extremely online
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"how could anyone possibly not know who they're going to vote for between these two guys at this point" jimmy down at 7-11 saw a campaign poster once while high who he thinks vaguely might have been one of the candidates but honestly he can't remember which one so he might flip a coin
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i'm so glad my chat group is, y'know, *actively doing shit* /i need to stop engaging in some discussions on here tho
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I wonder what that world is like.
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I still question all these polls. I mean, who the heck is answering these pollster’s phone calls, whose numbers are not automatically blocked because it’s coming from an unknown caller?
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they weren’t historically off in 2022, so I’m reluctant to just ignore them, but it does feel like the bottom is gonna fall out at some point all the reputable polling folks who talk about response rate have noted the extent to which it continues to crater
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The people that answer are people that tend to answer unknown numbers. Older, typically more conservative, usually white.
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Trying to explain to my friends that are freaking out over last night that: -Debates historically have a negligible impact on swaying elections -And if someone is an undecided voter at this point, they're probably not the type of person to watch the debates anyway
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The real power behind the debates are the sound bites. I'm hoping beyond all hope that the Dems are smart enough to blast "I killed Roe v Wade" on repeat, from now til the election
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Probably lowballing it.
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I would bet dollars to donuts that most of that 1.2% that migrated from Biden to RFK find their way back before November.
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*July probably, as soon as they research him most of these voters are going to realize he's not a 'Kennedy' in the sense they believe.
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At a minimum, people who watch THIS debate
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and there were something like 30M fewer of them watching than there were in 2020
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Which makes sense! Because there's nothing useful to learn!
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*taps sign* bsky.app/profile/esp1...
The people who will decide the election were not watching this debate or the post-debate panels. But they will see those ads and hear Trump being Trump again. That's not going to change the polls next week, but it will matter. Nothing is guaranteed so we all need to do the work. 2/2
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Are you trying to tell me that the opinions of people that actually bought tickets and brought friends to see Jello Biafra speak his truth in 1998 aren’t real Americans? Well I won’t stand… now I’m embarrassed.
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I think it's just the stakes are so high that anything negative is a real kick in the fears and that manifests quickly regardless of realities?
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that's a...charitable way of explaining it, but sort of yeah.
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also his performance was objectively awful. It might be that nobody gives a shit in the end, and he wins, but that’s also a bit grim (but much better than the alternative).
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Exactly, anyone whose mind was changed by the debate will change their mind roughly eight thousand more times before November and will decide based on what Applebee’s has on special the night before
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I like the theophite theory that Dems will start answering their phones.
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Man, 2%, no way a candidate can ever make that up in 4 months.
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2 percent and nearly all of the shift was to Kennedy, which is really funny.
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Everyone still hates Trump. Some swing voters favor vaccine denialism over debate performance. @chrislhayes.bsky.social
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In the end Kennedy is not going to get anywhere close to his current polling level, I predict
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Completely agree. Which is great. Trump still loses even if Biden’s numbers erode a little.
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Well I’m not by any means confident that Biden is going to win but the 20 hours of pants-shitting has been pathetic. It’s June. He certainly can win.
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I dont think thats the case, its just name recognition and the typical can i just have an imaginary someone else that normies tend to say and news entertainers glom onto with fantasies of contested conventions.
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Not even 2%, that's a hair above 1 and a half! Is that even outside the margin of error?
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It's also completely within the margin of error, lol.
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I was told it was the worst performance of all time and Biden had to perform seppuku and every democrat in the house had to resign in shame while chanting "e'agh e'agh"
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*Democrat, but otherwise, a funny skeet.
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does correcting someone’s capitalization fulfill your life, mike?
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real win for brain worms, at least we know these effects are temporary
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Not a good poll for Biden but not a good poll for Trump either