Violet Purple: How about paying authors a fair price for the books you lend

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How about paying authors a fair price for the books you lend

Please leave the internet archive alone, they are desperately trying to save our cultural knowledge from the digital maw. They are librarians. Go after profit obsessed publishers and big tech instead

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These a bigger issues than just the Internet Archive. Library systems all over the world now rely on mostly one product for digital lending, Overdrive. Recently Overdrive was sold to a so-called vulture fund. This puts all of our cultural history at great risk. 1/

For hundreds of years publishers, libraries and readers existed in a delicate and nourishing ecosystem. This is now all under threat by rapacious, extractive content farms who will hoover up all this content, and then just delete entire archives on a whim, leaving AI chum in its place. 2/

In a nightmarish digital world of AI hallucinations and meglamanicterabytes worth of useless AI chum - the only place to find the original, unaltered material will end up being the Internet Archive. 3/

How about both things can be true at the same time. The internet archive does extremely important work but is wrong on this specific subject

Nope

That’s not a very persuasive argument

We're on blue sky this isn't a scholarly debate lmao.

No, but you’d think people would be capable of having a discussion more maturely than a four year old child

Here is the grown up version. These a bigger issues than just the Internet Archive. Library systems all over the world now rely on mostly one product for digital lending, Overdrive. Recently Overdrive was sold to a so-called vulture fund. This puts all of our cultural history at great risk. 1/

For hundreds of years publishers, libraries and readers existed in a delicate and nourishing ecosystem. This is now all under threat by rapacious, extractive content farms who will hoover up all this content, and then just delete entire archives on a whim, leaving AI chum in its place. 2/

In a nightmarish digital world of AI hallucinations and meglamanicterabytes worth of useless AI chum - the only place to find the original, unaltered material will end up being the Internet Archive. 3/

You should be aware that most critiques of the Internet Archive have actually been driven by big publishers astroturfing as local writers groups. Under the old pre-digital system publishers, libraries and authors existed in a healthy ecosystem. It is not IA that is squeezing every last bit of profit

And, at the same time, give some $ to the Internet Archive so they can keep doing what they do. archive.org/donate

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This elder millennial is on a one person butlerian jihad in pursuit of reclaiming physical media.

Two person.

Onward!

Room for one more?

It’s me.

You also lend books under copyright that you haven't paid the copyright owners a dime for.

If I walk into a used bookshop and buy a book, I can loan it to whoever I want with no repercussions. Same if someone gives me one as a gift, or if I pick one up when my local lidbary gets shut down and gives away their stock. No money to the copyright owner is required to change hands, all legal.

Fair use by an individual is not the same thing as opening lending to any number of people at once.

This you?

Obviously so. If you’re interested in a discussion about sports international al broadcast rights let me know

the fucking RECEIPTS lmaoooo

Sports international broadcast and streaming rights are a very different subject than writers not being paid fairly.

listen im not the pot calling the kettle black here

If I’d been posting about pirating books you might have a case, but I didn’t.

everyone else is posting about borrowing books from a digital library, nothing is being illegally distributed, and the vast majority of the books are out of print. the authors would get nothing if you could even purchase a copy, and the ones that can, do. you were posting about piracy lmao

I believe they already do that, and I think we can be fairly certain the publishers didn't have the books removed because the authors weren't getting paid fairly. ;P

I can’t speak for the publishers, but the IA wasn’t paying writers the usual library book fees.

Is this perhaps because they're using donated books instead of buying new copies?

Perhaps. Scanning them and lending those copies is where it gets legally murky

Where does the law stand on you streaming football matches? Legal or illegal?

Locally? Not punished by law, not to the extent of hosting a streaming website is

Do you return the football match when you’re done with it? What’s the difference between being able to view a book online for a time and being able to have a book at home for a time?

What is it that you think "the usual library book fees" are?

I believe I already answered this in a different thread

They purchase a copy of every book they lend out.

They do not purchase library copies, which they would then be allowed to lend. That is the issue here

Hi there, former public librarian and current healthcare librarian here. What are you imagining "library copies" to be?

In this case, ebooks purchased to be loaned

So your complaint is that they aren't purchasing ebooks, not that you think there are special "library copies" of print books. Okay. So in cases where an ebook isn't available, what are you proposing they do?

They make ebooks and pay authors?

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