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if you’re playing the wrong-rock game about Biden doing events at which he campaigns normally and demonstrates that he’s not senile, I kind of think the onus is on you to reassure people like me that you’re not going to wrong-rock Nominee Harris
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what you want isn’t Nominee Harris. it’s a comfortable lead over Trump. the evidence that switching to Harris will produce that comfortable lead is nonexistent. so reassure me that you’re not going to continue filling your drawers if you get what you say you want.
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I fully believe that this media-led panic over Biden's fitness for office will simply shift over to Harris ... and there will be an equally frenzied media-led panic over *her* fitness & preparedness for office.
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What way too many people are failing to understand is that this isn't REALLY about Biden's age & well-being; it's about the media being desperate to come up with something, anything!, to keep the focus away from the GOP's direct attack on our democracy. They don't want *that* to be the story.
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Because if they admit that's the *real* story—the story of the century, even!—then they'd have to admit that they are playing a pivotal role in helping them successfully pull it off, and they will literally come up with ANYTHING to keep from ever holding themselves accountable like that.
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Saw yesterday a WaPo guy I've often liked say that Biden's age is interesting because it's "unresolved" and impying that SCt making Trump the king somehow is resolved. An admission they can't think of any more stories to pursue about the latter b/c of total incompetence or malevolence imo
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I used to think incompetence was the primary driver, but atm I'm leaning a lot more into the idea that this is malevolence. There's so much of this media-driven discourse that doesn't make any sense unless they're actively making these decisions *on purpose* because they want Trump to win.
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Not only did the multimillionaire and billionaire owners of major media outlets benefit from Trump/GOP tax cuts, but their business interests benefited from increased readership and viewership from frightened audiences. And shallowly covering the Trump administration was dead easy, no work required
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I mean, we’ve seen this play out with gore and lying, Kerry and flip flopping, clinton and emails, and now Biden and old. Excessive focus on the dem candidate and a perceived flaw, no way to prove that the dem candidate isn’t meeting that standard, every story framed through that one negative frame
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the charitable version of this is that the rank-and-file reporters and columnists are being manipulated and are too stupid (or too attached to their jobs) to realize it.
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I don't think they want Trump to win; I think they want to avoid a 55/40 Biden lead with 5% undecided, where we all tune out and stop subscribing or buying papers because we're not driven by panic. (To be clear, this is much worse than being in the tank for Trump)
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Or the media’s obsession with having the fun of writing hair-on-fire stories every day got for years of a Trump administration as opposed to a quiet competent team of ptoffesionals that are BORING (to them).
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No. They are worried that Trump will win against a President who is sundowning. They don't believe the American people will vote for a President who is too old to do the job and will start going to bed at eight. The evidence in the polls suggests this is true. www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a...
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i disagree, they don't seem to be particularly worried that trump will win or i believe they'd hammer him about all the fucked up shit he constantly says and does and has done, even if it's old hat they focus on his opponent for some reason instead... how curious
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The media has harped on this issues constantly, and yet polling data demonstrably proves that Trump voters do not care about their candidates many many flaws. The same isn't true for Democratic voters and independents that lean D. They care a great deal in fact. 3 out of 4 think Biden is too old.
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and yet biden utterly swept the primaries just a few months ago at 81 years and 6 months old -- but now 81 years and 8 months is a gamechanger? like his birthday was a secret until recently? lmfao the idea of replacing him as nominee is absurd (AND undemocratic besides)
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“what did the vice president know about the president’s infirmity and when did she know it” “White House sources allege vice president took a more active role in forcing out president than is currently admitted”
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You are Aaron Sorkin and I claim my five pounds
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yeah, the only way they could do it is if Biden has (or 'has') a sudden health event.
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Which will be even worse than this is, because of the racism and misogyny.
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There is no lead people will find reassuring. This site is full of weirdo neurotics. If the numbers are high the polls will be untrustworthy. If the numbers are even higher people will switch to insisting there is enough room to do their one weird trick.
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i would like to believe that there's an effect on the margin
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Following politics closely is such an abnormal thing to do and we do it more abnormally than that because of the way social media compresses everything.
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Counterpoint: we don't actually follow *politics* closely we follow *campaigning* closely and that is part of the problem.
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we don’t even have to guess what will happen… we’ve seen it already. it will switch to “don’t believe the polls” / “don’t get complacent”
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fwiw I think that’s a fair reaction, but it got to the point where there would be dozens of those replies under any good polling news.
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I think this is right, for the sickos, but I think there's a much broader range of Democrats and "elites" for whom Trump is Winning has become a narrative off the back of +2 RV polls and that has fed a panic. Biden +2 on average has a different emotional weight even if almost identical stats-wise
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My baseline assumptions are on that in November 2020 the enthusiasm for ousting Trump was high and Biden still barely won the states he needed, now the enthusiasm gap has narrowed or even flipped, And the downside risk of failure is catastrophically bad, so yeah I’m deeply concerned
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(I don’t however consider any one poll or two-week sample of polls to be reliable on their own)
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I’d expected Trump to be on probation or house arrest for a large part of the remaining campaign, and that seems very unlikely to happen.…
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You could still get your wish in September, which is not an optimal time for a candidate to be on probation or house arrest!
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The legal issue Roberts thrust into the NY case is so fraught, open-ended, & unanswered, I find it very hard to believe that there will be an unstayed sentence in September–November The trial court will be the first-look and if he imposes a sentence it’ll likely be stayed on appeal
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There's a lot to be freaked out about, but that's not a good place to make decisions or interpretations of reality from. Also reality being actually scary is compatable with everyone on here being primed to freak out. bsky.app/profile/tznk...
Depression is sometimes misunderstood, including by the depressed, as being sad when you don't have a reason to be. And it's more like you're predisposed to be sad (or anhedonic, or or or) so normal triggers are worse for you. It seems weirdo neuroticism in political hobbyists works the same way.
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And none of us are in a position to directly influence what happens next anyway
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The case for switching isn’t that Harris will be treated fairly or sail thru, it’s if one accepts Biden’s numbers & media coverage are irrevocably cooked that Harris has less downside / more upside potential But there should be no illusion that it would be easy or smooth bsky.app/profile/saba...
In other words, there’s no silver bullet to escape bad-faith media narratives, and if people are suggesting Harris would be a better candidate than Biden bc she isn’t bogged down with the “too old to do the job?” narrative, it fails to appreciate the media would come to browbeat Harris too
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(None of us have direct control over where this is going, so I’m just trying to be as level-headed about it as I can)
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I mean I reject that first part straight off but that kind of gets to what I’m saying- what people want is a sure W and Harris certainly isn’t that
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Right the most persuasive case to switch rests on Biden’s downside not Harris’ upside—it’s the assumption that Biden is an electoral sinking boat, not that Harris is a gleaming rescue vessel
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but in that scenario it’s vital that we not then spend a month bitching about Harris and I have no confidence at all in either intention or ability to do that
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I’m less concerned about the Poasters (I’m not even sure we’re a meaningful bellwether) and more about insiders, normies, and establishment media producers & editors (who I’d guesstimate would get suckered by the right into running stories questioning her “merit”) bsky.app/profile/saba...
Yascha Mounk tipping his hand that he and the rest of the centrist & right-of-center media would 100% run the Claudine Gay playbook on Kamala Harris
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Seriously agree about the first part! Does anyone remember summer 2016 when Trump was high single-low double digits???
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…digits *behind 🤦🏼‍♂️
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My thing is, how long would it take them to start brow beating Harris and how effective would it be. If they need a month to land on “shes got a weird laugh” I think we’re in good shape.
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“Get Harris into a honeymoon campaign in October” was my earlier fantasy, but I’d failed to consider the problem with filling a VP vacancy bsky.app/profile/saba...
“We like Harris better than Biden” is mostly a product of her being out of the limelight and therefore being a relatively untarnished “not-Biden” candidate She’d face a tough campaign though (hypothesis: the optimal Harris campaign would be from a Biden death in October & Harris honeymoon)
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There would probably be some Republican fuckery about the ballots, too. But in terms of “winning the most votes”, yeah, that would be something.
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I kinda suspect she would get a couple weeks of a honeymoon no matter when she took over. But how long is important.
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"Why did she lie to America about Biden's fitness" is already being revived up
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If she gets the nod “Harris is scheming and ambitious” is 100 percent cued up