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as much as i think that debate was bad for biden i also find myself contemptuous of the assorted libs having a full blown panic attack
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i find it unbecoming
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I have been using words which are much less kind about them. It's a disgraceful spectacle.
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It's like they've never seen an election before. Elections are close and scary sometimes! Grow up! This kind of public bed wetting just makes you (and the candidate) look weak. Don't do it.
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He is weak, and no amount of posturing is gonna change that. I'm probably older than you.
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I mean "weak" is a relative (and subjective) thing. You could imagine a better candidate, sure. But you don't get to make your imaginary candidate magically appear. And if Biden is "weak" his opponent is dramatically weaker.
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The point is that the situation is what it is; the relevant decisions were made years ago. Now we have to deal with the election we have not the election we want. And we all KNOW what needs to be done, we just need to do it.
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He was a weak candidate in 2020, but Trump was so self-evidently awful that people rightly chose a return to normalcy. A single Biden term makes sense. Biden is imho mostly good on policy. But policy is only one factor in elections. Nobody wants to ride a bus whose wheels are visibly coming off.
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Well, he was having an issue with his voice. That’s different.
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A close election. Against a literally demented felon. In this context, this take doesn't make you look like the savvy sage you think you are.
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I don't get the argument here. If you're saying this election is MORE important than usual (something which I agree with!) then it's all the MORE important not to collectively look like a bunch of cringing cowards sprinting away from the candidate whom we NEED to win this thing.
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People need to fucking suck it up and act like they've been here before, is what I'm saying. This isn't a game.
Also foolish. Spin is what matters and it's not hard to spin Biden's performance. He's a mumbly old man who was right on substance, Trump is a convicted felon, an insurrectionist, and a drooling, senile fascist who wants a national abortion ban.
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This is what’s driving me nuts. Why the hell are all the “Democratic thought leaders” taking turns kicking the Democratic candidate instead of busting their asses spinning like they should be?!? Why are they doing the Trump campaign’s job for them?
making me sick waking up to people talking like this rather than acknowledging reality and doing everything to replace him. He lost soooo many Democrats' votes last night. It's over. Don't stay in the fiery building.
Oh please. Anyone who changed their vote based on this has a brain of tapioca pudding and will change their vote back based on their horoscope before November.
It's actually very smart serious people who are horrified by what's occurred. You don't have to agree but it's not just morons. The people circling the wagons this morning look more like the tapioca swuad. We haven't even had the convention yet, thank god.
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The problem with Biden is his weakness and they are just making him look weaker still.
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If only they understood this part they would've finished freaking out about it months ago
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Yeah, you insisted we run the shit sandwich, now we’re stuck with the shit sandwich, better get chomping or you’re not gonna sell many
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I mean, I didn’t, I wanted Bernie
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Oh, sorry, I didn’t mean you you
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Well, because it is, and its pathetic
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It’s not how you win elections.
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Nominating octogenarians is also not how you win elections.
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Democrats and their attendant operatives have never missed an opportunity to panic
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It feeds the "anxious insecure policy weirdos have their worst fears fed; brash assholes feel vindicated in a vague bug satisfying way" that is like 80% of politics discourse. The remaining 20% is "brash assholes don't actually mean the asshole-ish shit they say"
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I know it was a typo, but I prefer to believe you intended to say that brash assholes only satisfy bugs.
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To every “Democratic strategist” rushing to WaPo, MSNBC etc. to anonymously say Biden should be replaced: you are worse than useless and you suck at your job. Trashing the candidate to the media is feckless and, dare I say, an absurdly stupid strategy for Democrats. STFU.
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It’s Mark Penn, isn’t it.
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I panic all the time over everything, so it's not personal or anything.
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Same. They really expect a neurodivergent on disability to remain calm? Yah no.
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It’s ok for the electorate to panic. What’s NOT ok is for the people with power in the Democratic Party to set everything on fire and watch it all burn behind the comfort of anonymous quotes. They should be on TV gaslighting the shit out of us or pivoting to Trump’s performance.
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Yup they should be talking up Biden or tearing up Trump’s lies.
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it's just pathetic. Democracy is at existential risk, hold the god damn line! The tack Newsom took was great.
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It's also unhelpful and probably unhealthy
Just wait until he has a reasonable performance in the next debate and they are all acting like someone else said that stuff.
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When you see the ship is headed for the iceberg, sometimes maybe it’s okay to panic a little.
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ah yes, the best time to panic is when you are entering treacherous waters
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Specifically the captain and crew, those are the guys you want pissing their pants
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The July 11 iceberg the Trump campaign can't avoid is infinitely bigger than anything facing the Biden campaign.
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Like the old posters said, Absolutely Freak Out and Carry On. They were not very good posters
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Ever since 1980 Democrats have been bred to panic
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Yeah, perhaps evolution hasn’t fully prepared us for moments like these.