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could we stop with the WE’RE DOOMED whenever literally anything happens
look i know we're all clinically depressed leftists but automatically going WE'RE DOOMED does not seem prudent
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I mean if there was a time to say it Trump becoming a living martyr on top of an already teeter-totter election seems like an appropriate time
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I don’t think this kind of thing is a slam-dunk that will convert voters on the edge.
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Who the fuck was thinking about voting for Biden but will now vote Trump because (at worst) he got clipped in the ear
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I think the real concern is that it will actually get trump voters to show up at the polls, and the turnout boost could be a problem.
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This is also months before the election. They are not known for long memories.
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Rap sheets Lists of creditors Ties Lapses COVID awkward pauses at the Thanksgiving dinner table
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I should have been more specific.
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Trump voters would have all turned out anyways. It's ONLY the reason he's such a threat.
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There is going to be a very real fundraising boost for Trump because of this, too. All of MAGA will want to show their support and help “defend” or “avenge” their leader.
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Teddy Roosevelt was shot while giving a speech 3 weeks before the 1912 election, was so fucking tough that he *stayed to finish the speech* and then lost to Woodrow Wilson 435 electoral votes to 88
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I certainly *hope* it won't have an effect, but sadly, it's not in reality hard to imagine the disengaged voter who will now think "Democrats are the party of political violence."
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considering that the entire MAGA brand is literally political violence
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Of course they are. But if disaffected voters knew that, they wouldn't be disaffected voters.
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I think even disaffected voters know that Republicans are the “more guns party” and Democrats are the “fewer guns party.”
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This is the same argument of the last 2 weeks. "I don't know anyone personally like this but this person I can picture..."
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It’s more along the lines of Republicans and Independents who were going to stay home, might not now, because what they saw was “courage and defiance.”
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Running away was "courage and defiance"? Teddy Roosevelt was in fact shot, and stayed to finish his speech. (And still lost the election.?
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I’m not at all saying that I myself see it that way (I do not). I’m talking about what folks on the right might say.
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Folks on the right will almost certainly claim that Joe Biden himself tried to assassinate Donnie, and only missed because he's too old and senile.
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Yeah, now they have an excuse to justify their Trump vote with a cleaner conscience.
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tbh I don't think at this point conscience factors into it, the division of the American right atm leaves very little room for people with a more grey opinion of the party. It just makes him really look to be the hero they're already being told he is.
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same injury andy bernard got in the episode of the office where dwight brings a gun to work
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I think the RW propaganda machine is going to lose its collective fucking mind, regardless.
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I think it'll help him with the people who already like him. I don't think it'll hurt Joe with all the people who don't. I think Joe's reaction to this is already going poorly.
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i feel like it would help if, just once, joe democrat side would come out and plainly condemn violence perpetrated by rightwing terrorists, and highlight how inciting speech has kinda sorta caused a spike in that fash shit these last several years. but i'm not in public relations idk
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Yeah that would be an excellent move
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"This is what happens when you spend 8 years saying that "2nd amendment people might have to do something about it", eventually one does. Turns out not all of them like Trump"
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It really is going poorly! Biden is pausing ads and messaging. Why? What is that supposed to do for anyone except help Trump?
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maybe just reviewing the content to excise anything remotely construable as incendiary?
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That's a good point, but I still see it as Democrats playing nice while the Repubs call for blood.
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yeah, it will solidify the 25% or so cult, but everyone dislikes the cult.
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Agreed. That's an insane take. His voters were always going to vote for him and moderates have no great love for him that they'll suddenly vote for him for getting his ear grazed.
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If anything, I think it's a splash of cold water to people in despair. If we don't win now, there's fewer good options... but nothing's over, and nobody stands alone. Too many people are looking at the election as a final showdown, and the news is selling that narrative, and that's never the case.
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I'm kind of there myself... forgive the wild speculation as coping mechanism, but…
idk I think there is a decent chance this pushes the whole convention into a collective howl for vengeance that might not be their ideal presentation for swing voters
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Given that he's a lying liar who lies and a convicted felon *and* that nobody dropped in that shoulder-to-shoulder crowd behind him by the follow thru on what looks like a side graze wound I'm really struggling to not think this was "Staged."
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UPDATE: it appears someone behind in the stands behindmay have been struck and killed.
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Yeah I think it's too early to even know exactly what happened cause the entire thing is super bizarre but if it was an assassination event I don't think it's going to HELP Joe Biden at the very least
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Idk, at least the media will stop yammering about his age for 5 minutes. And Biden can take the opportunity to talk about gun control.
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Why wouldn't it? Trump now has to be afraid to do more rallies. Maybe they put him in a Popemobile type box for them now. Can't help but think that makes him look bad
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I gotta say that sounds like whatever the opposite of doomerism is
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It will make the camps more brutal now though.
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