The Court ruling today is terrible but expected. I will just gently remind everyone that the election hasn’t happened yet. We shouldn’t assume the worst outcome as a foregone conclusion. That only encourages more apathy than many are already feeling.
Do you think most people actually expected this? I felt like most people expected that they would give a definitive 'no, of course the president can't commit crimes,' just too late to do anything before the election.
I am with you. I genuinely believed Alito, et al. were running out the clock. The biggest reason I never saw *this* coming is because I never thought they would create such a hopeless morass. It is going to take decades (at least) to figure out what the standard is going to be. Utter insanity.
I thought Barrett, Kavanaugh and Roberts would vote with the liberals while Alito and Thomas dissented. Gorsuch was up in the air to me. I didn’t really expect this.
This is EXACTLY what I expected from this court. Rule the POTUS has absolute immunity for official acts, then remand to the lower court to define if the charges fall under official acts, have the lower court rule they don’t, let Trump appeal back to SCOTUS who will then hold it until after Nov.
Right—I hadn’t thought of all those pieces. But he can hold it up with appeals after that, right? Or could the trial court decision actually get enforced re the election?
Oh he will definitely hold it up. Chutkan has signaled in the past that she sees his actions during J6 as those of candidate Trump, not POTUS. So once she likely rules against him, Trump will appeal and it will work its way up to SCOTUS who will then rule in his favor (provided he isn’t POTUS again)
This isn’t precisely what they ruled. Absolute immunity is only for the core constitutional powers official acts. It’s presumptive immunity for all official acts.
Eh yes and no. I mean technically you are correct but as Sotomayor points out in her dissent, the distinction is essentially meaningless. bsky.app/profile/nycs...
We won the last election and it's all still unfixed. I'm promise I'm not just trying to be contrarian here, but I don't get why, if it's not being done today, why would it be in January?
no they're not, but maybe the quotes mean you're not serious- if you are and you think anything that anyone does is pointless then I'm not sure why you're here except to inflict your hopeless misery on everyone else.
The regulatory state is already basically dismantled regardless of the outcome of the election and Genocide Jill and Genocide Joe insist on handing this one to trump so I’m not sure it’s productive not to consider us already in the worst case scenario
I read what you wrote and I didn't say it was inevitable I said that we need to treat it as a clear and present danger that demands immediate and serious action. Why do people never seem to be able to read online ‽‽ I am not speaking in code !
By saying that, you’re implying that everyone should relax and wait for the outcome. But we already KNOW the lower courts won’t hear the case until after the election. So your position seems… weird.
So many people have such unreasonable trust in a system that is so obviously broken
FDRLST Society/Heritage Foundation have spent so long getting their lab-grown activist judges installed up and down in our judiciary and yet it's counterproductive「 oh don't worry / things might just work out ! 」
It's fucking infuriating
So many people are convinced that our government is legitimate and functional and telling people not to panic when clearly panic and immediate action are in order
