post malone ergo propter malone: i wonder if you plot male height against male attitude towards trans women you get anything interesting

i wonder if you plot male height against male attitude towards trans women you get anything interesting

anyway the last time the UK had a prime minister who was over 5'8" was Cameron (2016).

Cameron is also the last British PM to get the job by general election, before Starmer just did (May, Johnson, Truss, and Sunak all got the job by their predecessor's resignation, though May and Johnson later won general elections).

Before that, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and John Major were all about 6' tall (only Blair got the job by election). Thatcher was apparently 5'5".

also wonder at what height (if any-- might be null) most of the women taller than that height are trans, and what that value has done over time.

in what direction?

honestly not sure but hypothesizing that you could see a bulge in anti-trans sentiment among men who are 1) taller than most women but 2) not taller than most trans women

i'm a gentleman's 5'11" which means I'm pretty close to median male height but taller than >99% of cis women. my hypothesis here, i guess, is that if you are accustomed to being taller than women it is more disconcerting to encounter women who are taller than you

so maybe you have ~3 buckets of men: 1) short kings who are used to a significant number of women being taller 2) midheight who are taller than most women but shorter than a good chunk of trans women 3) tall men who are still taller than most trans women

this obviously isn't destiny, just kinda curious if there's an observable effect

i guess i'm also assuming that trans women heights are ~normally distributed cis male heights and that might be wrong for lots of reasons

I mean, would you extend this to other secondary sex linked traits? Guys with high voices or that don't grow a lot of body hair or a small Adams Apple or whatever? Anyway I feel this's an unlikely line of research but maybe a way to insult transphobes about their gender expression... Not great

This meme essentially. As a fellow “5’11” and change to start the day and lose a quarter inch or so over the day” person the 5’7”-5’9” crowd always struck me as having better representation among the Most Toxic (with another spike at like 6’2” which is tall but not tall enough to be Tall Tall)

The fix is to breed conservative men with Dutch women and the broken brains will cause a Rumplestiltskin reaction.

I'm 6'6" and on the rare occasions when I encounter a woman, trans or cis, who is taller than me I tend to default to a state of awe and worship

I don't understand why people worry about height. I did when I was like 11 because I was short and then just stopped giving a fuck because it absolutely never impacted anything that has ever happened in my life.

I think there are things where it can make a difference - short guys are not equally represented in leadership positions, for instance, and if surveys are accurate and opinions remain unchanged a majority of women wouldn't consider dating a guy shorter than them.

huh. maybe? i wouldn’t know, i encounter women taller than me all the time at 5’5”, i always have

I'm 6'3" and I *have* encountered women taller than me. I tend to remember because it's vanishingly rare, I can count them on one hand. Couldn't tell you if any were trans, don't care.

As a 6' (maybe 6'1") woman, I agree with you. So many men I dated (or chatted with on dating apps) were weirded out by my being about as tall as they were (or taller!).

By "disconcerting" you mean "hot," right?

I think your on to something. I have a theory that "weird new food smells" is the cause of certain amount of strife when a new immigrant groups starts showing up to a neighborhood. I don't understand the exact mechanism but general unspecified discomfort does feel like a spot for bigotry to root.

I just wonder what a "gentleman's 5'11" consists of But I do think you're right largely

5'10" and a piece

Whereas a Harvard 5'11" is just under 5'9"

This would require that many men who hate trans women are basing it off of some face-to-face interaction with actual trans women, which I do not believe to be the case

yeah outside of developing countries i doubt that height correlations with urban living, which in turn correlates with exposure to queer people

Interesting theory.

Is the reason I'm accepting of trans women that my mother is 6'? Freud boggles

And yet I'm also accepting of trans women, and I'm the tallest member of my immediate family at 5'7", with a 5'2" mom and plenty of female relatives under 5' on both sides... (we're hobbit-adjacent, I'm realizing). I guess I'm in bucket #1?

Yeah, anything this esoteric is going to be only weakly descriptive at best. But I think the larger point is strong: a lot of transphobia comes down to insecurity, especially insecurity in one's own identity.

I’m 5’8. Here for the esoteric weirdness.

idk why I think im helping but I’m tall cis women who got called boy-ish no matter what so. 😂

Totally. And I'm aware of it in myself!! Which is why I take the time to examine my priors. But I fully understand the components of the phobia and bigotry.

suspect the ethnicity & age demographic effects might swamp it as a measurable, independent variable

maybe, we can do some controlling for that

That is an interesting question. Not sure how you'd get at the data, but there might be something there.

I honestly have no idea what you’re suggesting here

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