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anyone who thinks harris is gonna get an easy walk from the nation’s newspapers and editorial boards if she were to become the nominee is absolutely lying to themselves
If the Biden Drop Out!s get their wish they’re going to regret it like three weeks later when they see how the media covers it
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like, “a woman but not that woman” happens very often in american politics even under normal circumstances, and these would be nearly unprecedented
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The beauty of "a woman but not that woman" is that the right woman never appears.
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(I mean this in the sense of strong agreement, not sarcastically.)
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The lefties would switch from bellyaching about Genocide Joe to bellyaching about Kamala the Cop at relativistic speed
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It would be knives out in the media and the same panicky impulse to go NO NOT THAT ONE, the same impulse that fed this, will kick in again and they'll freak the fuck out and blame the DNC and Clinton and the usual suspects. A tale as old as time.
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When it's the presidency, it happens EVERY TIME. We are such chauvinist pigs when it comes to that office, it's not even funny.
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Harris slipped to the “not THAT woman” side as soon as she accepted the VP nod tbh
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I'd have to be confident that the media would rally behind her against Trump and I do not have those emotions.
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Biden is just untenable now, too risky. I'm more sanguine on Harris than that. I think there will be a tremendous upsurge in enthusiasm throughout the Democratic Party. (Particularly if she picks a good running mate like Chris Murphy, Andy Beshear, Jamie Raskin, J.B. Pritzker or someone.)
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Were you not alive in 2016 and 2019? Bc this is a 100% ahistorical take
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the NYT’s specific op-ed bent is that they are the kingmakers who will decide the election on the democratic side and if she doesn’t kowtow to them, she will get the same treatment biden is getting and clinton got, but kowtowing won’t matter to actual voters
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No one with any real power at the NYT will suffer harm under a corrupt, authoritarian regime, and that arrogant insulation comes through every damn day
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At least, they don't expect to. They're probably right. But they're going to be awfully surprised if they're wrong
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Yup. Particularly with Trump, if he happens again. Notoriously grudgy and vindictive. But it's about how the NYT leaders and top editors behave now. With a sense of remove, even if they may prove wrong.
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they may when Times v. Sullivan is overturned.
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They're fucking cheering for it. They want a regime of white male dominance, and they don't think Comstock laws will impact their pleasures.
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"unelected Kamala Harris takes over a shaky Democratic party on the verge of collapse."
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Whole lot of people really eager to go back to "Dems in Disarray" stories
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I would just like someone to explain to me how he suddenly became too old specifically when he gave his first debate response last week, and why we couldn't have had this conversation in January when there was a very clean way to pick a new candidate
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pretty sure she will get the same treatment regardless of whether she tries to accommodate them or not
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The number of mediocre white men taking shots at her under the guise of "wondering if she can handle the stress" will make the Clinton handling look like child's play.
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I'm fully supportive of her candidacy if it happens, but 1. if they do it, she should become president, too, & 2. that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend it's without difficulties
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we are in week two of the freakout and there has not been a single, solitary leak from people near harris about her considering it, it’s a dead letter
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The whole thing is just asshole pundits who want to be fiction writers, preferably getting optioned for movie rights. I think a whole generation of political writers' brains were broken by Joe Klein and "Primary Colors".
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I guess the other thing is how much she wants to do it at all.
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Like, I assume she wants to be president, but she might see stepping in here as dangerous for (at best) her career and (at worst) her life.
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Really, though, the most important thing is that they're actually being very disciplined in all of this. Like, the panic is among big donors and media shitheads, actual governing Dems are all but perfectly in step.
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Mostly. I saw today some dumbass congressman in TX stepped out of line, called for him to step down or whatever. I think Biden should invite him to the Oval for a chat.
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You don’t rate the Clyburn comment at all?
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“i’d support harris if biden isn’t there” is not what i would consider an endorsement of a plan
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Still yet, all I see is a news cycle that's the worst since Biden left Afghanistan, if not since Her Emails, with absolutely nothing comparable ever hitting Trump, even when he was convicted. If I were Harris I'd be avoiding that maelstrom however I can.
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I am surprised at Lloyd Doggett speaking up today, but it's an outlier.
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I broadly agree with you re the freak out but Clyburn isn’t the type to just say things like that off the cuff. Not when everyone is looking to him specifically for dirt. We’ll see, obviously.
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the full quote tells an extremely different story
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looks like some context was removed in the quote
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Strong agreed. On further reflection the question is more how would you feel about going around Harris; rather than how would you feel about a decision by/for Biden to leave.
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Asserting that you would support her is not a assertion that she's seeking the position.
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The one where he said he wants this to remain a Biden-Harris ticket?
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i think it’s gotten excepted out of context a lot
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Trump chasing Biden not just out of the race but out of the WH: now those are optics fascists won't exploit!
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Can already hear "is a California LIBRUL right for America? Does a black woman understand how rural Americans feel??"
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Doing the thing that will certainly result in a Trump victory is certainly a method. JFC we are so boned.
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at the same time, in the same breath "she's not REALLY black"
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They have ALREADY dedicated themselves to keeping her out of the nomination, which is a pretty good sign
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Anyone who thinks ANY Democrat would get good treatment from the press hasn't been paying attention, for a long time now.